[05:18:58] masterfranky:
<Enters the Dungeon>


[05:18:59] David:
<Has left the Dungeon (autologout).>


[05:19:22] masterfranky:
<Has left the Dungeon>


[08:56:42] MzFreeFalling:
<Enters the Dungeon>


[08:56:55] MzFreeFalling:
jok;kh


[20:43:31] CC:
<Enters the Dungeon>


[20:43:42] CC:
elcome! Tonight’s topic is: Mentoring: To Teach or Not to Teach? Guest Presentor: Lady Beth of SC-LOCK. The subject of mentoring seems to be springing up in conversations and discussion groups everywhere. But what is mentoring? How can one become a mentor? Do you even want to mentor? The discussion on the topic and help point out some of the values and pitfalls of mentoring. For the discussion to track easier we ask that if you have a question to please post: I have a question and you will be called on in turn rather than having 5 questions and cross posts going. Thank you in advance for your attendance tonight as well as your courtesy.


[20:43:51] CC:
trying that one more time ....


[20:44:03] CC:
Dungeon Chat this evening is from 9-11 pm ....


[20:44:08] CC:
Welcome! Tonight’s topic is: Mentoring: To Teach or Not to Teach? Guest Presentor: Lady Beth of SC-LOCK. The subject of mentoring seems to be springing up in conversations and discussion groups everywhere. But what is mentoring? How can one become a mentor? Do you even want to mentor? The discussion on the topic and help point out some of the values and pitfalls of mentoring. For the discussion to track easier we ask that if you have a question to please post: I have a question and you will be called on in turn rather than having 5 questions and cross posts going. Thank you in advance for your attendance tonight as well as your courtesy.


[20:44:32] CC:
If you arrive early ... please chat and get acquainted


[20:51:01] CC:
<just sitting here>


[20:53:17] LadyBeth:
<Enters the Dungeon>


[20:53:38] CC:
well good evening lady .. you are right on time and it is just the two of us so far


[20:53:53] CC:
we have a bad habit of being a bit late starters


[20:54:06] LadyBeth:
Ok I made it!


[20:54:18] CC:
see it wasnt ALL that hard


[20:54:48] CC:
time to even get a soda or coffee .. (in my case supper)


[20:55:08] LadyBeth:
Hmmm trying to figure tis out


[20:55:35] CC:
type msg ... you cannot do returns ..


[20:55:39] CC:
click talk


[20:55:56] CC:
must post or refresh about every 5 min or "drop out" of the room


[20:56:30] LadyBeth:
ok I think I got it, but it looks like I'm going to have some lag.



[20:57:10] CC:
dont think lag will be a big problem ... gives reading time


[20:57:19] CC:
I'll be back w/my coffee ...


[20:57:31] LadyBeth:
ahhh here is what was confusing me...the page is running bottom to top!


[20:57:37] crystalheart:
<Enters the Dungeon>


[20:57:50] LadyBeth:
<rolling my eyes at myself>


[20:58:28] LadyBeth:
ok, since we are going to start a few minutes late, I'm gonna go for a potty break, brb


[20:59:44] crystalheart:
<Has left the Dungeon>


[21:00:31] crystalheart:
<Enters the Dungeon>


[21:02:17] LadyBeth:
looks like we are going to have a big turn out! <grin>


[21:02:36] CC:
back


[21:02:43] ketayeM:
<Enters the Dungeon>


[21:02:43] CC:
had to have food ... sorry


[21:03:08] crystalheart:
hi ketaye...~hugs~


[21:03:12] CC:
Honest we almost always have a slow start


[21:03:14] LadyBeth:
Just let me know when you want me to begin CC.


[21:03:21] Justin:
<Enters the Dungeon>


[21:03:43] CC:
and some of the very best discussions are small groups for obvious reasons


[21:03:50] Justin:
evening *munches taco, wishing it were adrienne*


[21:04:00] CC:
Tonight's Dungeon Chat topic is: Mentoring: To Teach or Not to Teach? Guest Presentor: Lady Beth of SC-LOCK. Mentoring is springing up in conversations everywhere. The discussion on the topic and help point out some of the values and pitfalls of mentoring. www.thebrc.net


[21:04:04] ketayeM:
hi crystal..-hugs-



[21:04:17] CC:
sorry .. wrong c&p ... *blushes*


[21:04:38] CC:
Welcome! Tonight’s topic is: Mentoring: To Teach or Not to Teach? Guest Presentor: Lady Beth of SC-LOCK. The subject of mentoring seems to be springing up in conversations and discussion groups everywhere. But what is mentoring? How can one become a mentor? Do you even want to mentor? The discussion on the topic and help point out some of the values and pitfalls of mentoring. For the discussion to track easier we ask that if you have a question to please post: I have a question and you will be called on in turn rather than having 5 questions and cross posts going. Thank you in advance for your attendance tonight as well as your courtesy.


[21:04:43] LadyBeth:
aww, are you lonely tonight guy?


[21:04:51] CC:
there we go ... the rules de jour



[21:05:20] ketayeM:
Hello CC ma'am..-hugs- hello LadyBeth..-ws-


[21:05:43] CC:
That being said ... Lady Beth the floor is yours .. IF any of you have questions PLEASE post "I have a question" ... and I'll keep them flowing ...



[21:06:06] SassySioux:
<Enters the Dungeon>


[21:06:08] LadyBeth:
Alrighty then!


[21:06:19] CC:
oops


[21:06:34] CC:
also once the presentation is going please keep greeting in pm



[21:07:00] LadyBeth:
First of all, let me say that I have sat through some, somewhat heated discussions of mentoring in the past few months.


[21:07:27] Justin
smiles



[21:08:00] LadyBeth:
So, to qualify, let me say, these are my own views, based on my own experiences. They do NOT come from some Old Guard or Old Leather bible. You are welcome to agree or disagree, take what you like and toss what you don't.





[21:09:32] LadyBeth:
I think the place to begin is to define a mentor. Even that definition seems to be up for debate, but for my purposes, I use Funk and Wagnalls, "A mentor is a wise and trusted guide or teacher."



[21:10:02] Justin:
/nods and bites lip



[21:10:29] LadyBeth:
Hence, mentoring would be guiding or teaching.





[21:11:10] crystalheart:
<just sitting here>




[21:13:14] CC:
*listens* ... there are many that seem to confuse mentor w/a way to get a partner ... how do you feel about that?



[21:13:45] Justin
thinks that was diplomatic CC


[21:13:56] CC:
wonders if Lady Beth is collecting boots tonight ...


[21:13:59] SassySioux:
<just sitting here>


[21:14:11] ketayeM:
<just sitting here>


[21:14:30] CC:
Justin ...*grins* well if push comes to SHOVE I CAN manage "tact" ... or a good right hook!


[21:15:09] Justin:
yeah if common sense fails I feint with the right and lead with the left lol


[21:15:27] CC:
other opinions while Lady Beth appears to be in cyber limbo?


[21:15:52] LadyBeth1:
<Enters the Dungeon>



[21:16:04] Justin:
wb :)


[21:16:11] SassySioux:
wb


[21:16:15] LadyBeth1:
yah, I got a bunch of boots <grrr>


[21:16:37] CC:
ahh welcome back Lady Beth .. I was hoping you werent collecting boots!


[21:16:41] Justin:
well we'll get em all blacked :)


[21:16:58] LadyBeth1:
I apologize for the technical difficulties.


[21:17:07] CC:
*while you were out* Welcome! We are in session … so please, for courtesy, hold greetings unless you are using pm’sTonight’s topic is: Mentoring: To Teach or Not to Teach? Guest Presentor: Lady Beth of SC-LOCK. The subject of mentoring seems to be springing up in conversations and discussion groups everywhere. But what is mentoring? How can one become a mentor? Do you even want to mentor? The discussion on the topic and help point out some of the values and pitfalls of mentoring. For the discussion to track easier we ask that if you have a question to please post: I have a question and you will be called on in turn rather than having 5 questions and cross posts going. Thank you in advance for your attendance tonight as well as your courtesy.


[21:17:11] CC:
dfamn!


[21:17:17] LadyBeth1:
Did you all get my disclaimer and the definitions?



[21:17:37] CC:
got your funk n wagnal


[21:17:45] Justin:
we got the definition of mentor


[21:18:03] crystalheart:
<just sitting here>


[21:18:14] Justin:
and the disclaimer


[21:18:26] LadyBeth1:
Alright then, so mentoring would be to teach or guide.


[21:18:30] CC:
there are many that seem to confuse mentor w/a way to get a partner .. how do you feel about that?


[21:18:34] CC:
no disclaimer ...


[21:19:11] LadyBeth1:
I believe that it has become a controversial subject primarily due to some folks bad experiences.


[21:19:25] CC:
*chuckles* Justin said I was being diplomatic


[21:20:20] ketayeM:
<just sitting here>


[21:20:51] CC:
hmmm this could be a bad night on the net ... seems to have gone that way of late w/all the "war traffic"


[21:20:53] LadyBeth1:
And while I don't know for certain I would guess these bad experiences were caused by: poorly thought out plans, unrealistic expectations, inappropriate selection of mentors/pupils, and/or conflicts between dom thinking and submissive thinking about how training should be accomplished.


[21:21:07] SassySioux:
<just sitting here>


[21:21:30] Justin:
do you think its part of the mentors job to have sexual relations with the mentoree?


[21:22:01] LadyBeth1:
I have even heard many a heated debate over whether or not Dominants should mentor submissives, or only other Dominants.....whether submissives should mentor dominants etc, etc, etc.


[21:22:21] CC:
somehow I think we'll get around to that ...


[21:22:28] Justin:
lol


[21:22:40] LadyBeth1:
Personally, I feel that it is acceptable for either role to mentor either role.


[21:23:07] Justin
nods



[21:23:30] LadyBeth1:
Ahh Justin. Well that is a good question, and frankly should be one of the first considerations I think. If that is not ironed out up front, it will cause a long laundry list of problems.



[21:24:41] CC:
(comments on the question at hand are welcome ... please just remember .. if it is a new question post "I have a Question" or something similar) ... ThanX


[21:24:45] LadyBeth1:
In my own mentoring style, I do NOT have sexual contact with those I'm mentoring. Others do, and as far as I'm concerned it can be acceptable if BOTH parties agree that is how they want the mentoring relationship to be constructed UP FRONT.



[21:25:32] LadyBeth:
<Has left the Dungeon (autologout).>


[21:25:34] LadyBeth1:
However, my own feelings are that sexual contact dilutes the mentoring role and changes it into something else.


[21:25:50] crystalheart:
<just sitting here>


[21:25:55] SassySioux:
seems to me that sex would cloud the issue of the mentoring


[21:26:15] LadyBeth1:
And I welcome your thoughts and input. It's difficult to lecture in this medium with no feedback.


[21:26:16] Justin
nods


[21:26:53] CC:
y'know Lady Beth .. I think perhaps that is the key ...it's the UPFRONT ... that is not discussed BEFORE the power dynamics are in play ... though I myself find it can muddy the waters as well as have the potential to create potentially difficult bonds


[21:27:34] Justin:
I think mentoring has gone south in a lot of people's eyes because 1) it ends up the "mentor" is trying to use it to get laid or 2) the mentoree expects the mentor to give them the answers that they see...which I for one do not think is the mentors job


[21:27:57] Justin:
seek


[21:28:00] Justin:
not see lol


[21:28:33] LadyBeth1:
A successful mentoring relationship can provide much to both parties....it can be joyous and affirming, calming and fulfilling, intriging and inspiring. In my experience it is always a learning experience for both parties.


[21:28:33] SassySioux:
goes back to the definition Lady Beth gave ... that of a teacher


[21:28:34] CC:
Justin ... sometimes the getting laid goes both ways ... as well as "hoping" to turn mentor or mentee into partner


[21:28:50] Justin:
I agree with that as well


[21:29:06] Justin:
I am glad that was never an issue with Master Doug and I


[21:29:10] CC:
One of my all time favorite quotes is: "to teach is to learn and to learn is to teach"


[21:29:29] LadyBeth1:
I agree Justin, that is more of the bad press from bad relationships...which were probably poor choices in the beginning.



[21:29:54] ketayeM:
i think that mentoring going both ways..and have seen it as such..but saw that the submissive had major difficulties in one case.



[21:30:54] LadyBeth1:
To be a mentor (in whatever role) requires committment, knowledge, experise, experience, and perseverance.



[21:31:14] LadyBeth1:
er that should be expertise.


[21:31:41] Justin:
one of the biggest things that I got out of being mentored was that thementor helped me find the path to find my own answers to myself....even when he did not ness agree with them......I ws never instructed that "this is the way it is, has always been and so it shall always be" or any other such hooey


[21:31:50] CC:
all that and still not perfect!!! *S*



[21:32:08] ketayeM:
she had troubles doing the teaching when she was already well experienced in the lifestyle but while her partner wanted to learn had difficulty getting inot things when she was doing the teaching.


[21:32:09] LadyBeth1:
To be successfully mentored requires determination, openness, appreciation, patience and perseverance.


[21:32:35] crystalheart:
<just sitting here>


[21:32:54] SassySioux:
<just sitting here>


[21:32:56] CC:
nods to ketayes comment ...


[21:33:18] LadyBeth1:
Good point Ketaye, mentoring within a relationship can be quite difficult and stressful.


[21:33:37] Justin:
and a certain degree of selflessness too...do you think Beth?


[21:33:55] CC:
what Lady Beth ... not the "I want it and I want it NOW and this is how you will give it to me damnit mentee syndrome?


[21:34:13] LadyBeth1:
Here is a list of questions that I think everyone should ask themselves before entering into any kind of mentoring relationship.


[21:34:20] MizLilly:
<Enters the Dungeon>



[21:34:40] LadyBeth1:
Ahh yes, Justin and CC....we do all want it NOW. <grin> ALL of it NOW


[21:35:18] CC:
With your permission Lady Beth I'll post the questions on the discussion board in the appropriate section



[21:35:26] LadyBeth1:
And yes Justin, I do think that selflessness, or at least a sense of 'care giving' is a huge part of the mentor role.


[21:35:38] gentle:
<Enters the Dungeon>


[21:35:43] CC:
Welcome! We are in session … so please, for courtesy, hold greetings unless you are using pm’sTonight’s topic is: Mentoring: To Teach or Not to Teach? Guest Presentor: Lady Beth of SC-LOCK. The subject of mentoring seems to be springing up in conversations and discussion groups everywhere. But what is mentoring? How can one become a mentor? Do you even want to mentor? The discussion on the topic and help point out some of the values and pitfalls of mentoring. For the discussion to track easier we ask that if you have a question to please post: I have a question and you will be called on in turn rather than having 5 questions and cross posts going. Thank you in advance for your attendance tonight as well as your courtesy.


[21:35:52] Justin
nods


[21:35:56] LadyBeth1:
Sure CC, that would be fine. So, here are the questions.


[21:36:05] LadyBeth1:
<just sitting here>


[21:36:37] LadyBeth1:
Do I have the time available in my life to mentor or be mentored. Am I free to give this time?



[21:37:02] LadyBeth1:
What do I want (specifically) from a mentor?


[21:37:19] Justin
nods


[21:37:24] LadyBeth1:
What am I willing to give/trade in return for mentoring?



[21:37:45] LadyBeth1:
What do I want/expect from the pupil?


[21:38:02] LadyBeth1:
What am I willing to give the pupil?



[21:38:24] LadyBeth1:
Will this relationship include or exclude sexual relations?


[21:38:57] LadyBeth1:
Am I qualified to be a teacher or guide for this person for their particular needs?



[21:39:29] LadyBeth1:
<----flexes fingers


[21:39:32] LadyBeth1:
<just sitting here>


[21:39:42] LadyBeth1:
any comments about those?


[21:39:49] ketayeM:
<just sitting here>


[21:40:03] Justin
has seen many a bottom shiver when she flexes her fingers


[21:40:22] Justin:
I think thats dead on balls accurate


[21:40:36] SassySioux:
<just sitting here>


[21:40:43] LadyBeth1:
<chucking> hmm I like that thought!


[21:40:48] SassySioux:
i have a question on number 6


[21:40:52] ketayeM:
If i may include a question to ask yourself, LadyBeth?



[21:41:18] LadyBeth1:
certainly Ketaye


[21:41:27] CC:
I am curious as while those are all great and I think necessary questions do you think that it is a good idea to write them out as reference as well as reminders ... that might just crystalize various thoughts?


[21:41:31] ketayeM:
or rather onesself..




[21:42:32] LadyBeth1:
I will make that point too CC. I believe that petitioning and agreements are an essential component of a successful mentoring relationship, and in those documents it would all be written.


[21:42:55] LadyBeth1:
I"m waiting for Ketaye's addition to the list.


[21:43:07] ketayeM:
How much effort am I willing to put into mentoring or training? I see many with a genuine desire..but not the willingness to see to it's completion.



[21:43:44] LadyBeth1:
Yes, that is excellent Ketaye. Because it does take committment on both parts.


[21:44:00] LadyBeth1:
Sassy what was your question about #6?


[21:44:01] Justin:
and consistencey


[21:44:20] CC:
for the question ... of "am I qualified" ... what do you think is the single most imperative trait for a mentor?


[21:44:30] SassySioux:
what do you consider to be necessary qualifications for a mentor?


[21:45:03] CC:
Sorry Sassy I totally missed your question! (and when the comments on these questions are over ... Justin is waiting in the wings with a question)



[21:45:29] LadyBeth1:
Frankly, I think that varies from individual to individual. Suppose you asked me to mentor you in developing a gay male power relationship.


[21:45:52] crystalheart:
<just sitting here>



[21:46:24] LadyBeth1:
I certainly would NOT be qualified to be a mentor in that situation....and I would defer the opportunity. I would try to help that person find a qualified someone to help them though.




[21:47:35] LadyBeth1:
If a Dominant asked me to teach them bondage techniques, once again, I wouldn't be qualified...since my knots look horrid! <grin> so I would try to help them find a bondage expert to help.


[21:47:58] CC:
*winks* and I PROMISE not to attempt to mentor in rocket science or brain surgery!


[21:48:01] LadyBeth1:
I'm sure you feel like I"m dancing around your question, but I just don't think that there is a simple answer.


[21:48:28] SassySioux:
what you are saying does make sense


[21:48:40] LadyBeth1:
Certainly you need to look for an honest, trustworthy soul....who has experience and expertise along the lines of your interest.


[21:49:11] CC:
but even in a sense ... the deferment is mentoring ... *S* in that one needs to go to someone that you trust to tell you they dont know and can share that


[21:49:22] MizLilly:
<Has left the Dungeon (autologout).>


[21:49:52] SassySioux:
<just sitting here>


[21:50:01] LadyBeth1:
And frankly I think that there are too few of us willing to say "I don't know," particularly dominants...but then that is another whole chat room! <wink>


[21:50:27] CC:
*falls out laughing* Guess there is active and passive mentoring as well


[21:50:43] MizLilly:
<Enters the Dungeon.> <just sitting here>


[21:50:50] LadyBeth1:
Before my fingers give out though, I would like to add a bit about petitioning and agreements.


[21:51:09] CC:
any more comments on the questions? If not ..... Justin .. has a question


[21:51:43] LadyBeth1:
When someone approaches me about entering into a mentoring relationship with them, I always (after talking with them) ask them to petition me for this.


[21:51:59] LadyBeth1:
Opps


[21:52:15] LadyBeth1:
PLease go ahead and ask Justin.


[21:52:39] Justin:
do you think that there is any difference in mentoring and training and what drives them and if so, what and if not, why?.....but please finish about petitioning first :)


[21:53:59] LadyBeth1:
I see mentoring as an entirely different approach than training. Training speaks to me of teaching a particular submissive how to serve ME, rather than teaching them in a broader sense.



[21:54:17] Justin
nods amen


[21:54:35] LadyBeth1:
When I train (what little training I do) I say things like.....do this, this is how I like it, do this at this time, etc. etc. etc.


[21:55:04] Justin
nods and smiles



[21:55:13] LadyBeth1:
When I mentor, I say things like.....while I do this such and such a way, you will see others who like it done this way or that way....etc.



[21:56:12] gentle:
/mgs gentle


[21:56:20] crystalheart:
<just sitting here>



[21:56:38] SassySioux:
<just sitting here>


[21:56:46] CC:
One way being "you specific" and another being broader spectrum


[21:56:46] LadyBeth1:
I always try to give the broadest possible knowledge when mentoring as I am expecting that person to 'go forth' into the BDSM world and find their partner....and I want them to be as prepared as I can help them to be.


[21:57:05] LadyBeth1:
yes CC, that's more eloquently stated.


[21:57:21] Justin:
thank you Lady :)


[21:58:09] LadyBeth1:
Ok so for my wrap up on petitions.


[21:58:43] MizLilly:
<just sitting here>


[21:58:51] CC:
Sometimes I think that mentors wish to create a work of art in their image ... rather than, as you said, to go forward and find their partner ... if you "create" a "you specific" I think that one stunts the very possibility of them finding their mate


[21:58:55] LadyBeth1:
They serve as a definitive tool I think in forcing people to think about and determine what it is that they really want. The specifics.


[21:59:24] LadyBeth1:
And if they don't get specific enough in the beginning, I keep having them work on the petition until they are specific.


[21:59:56] Justin:
amen


[22:00:16] LadyBeth1:
Then, if I am willing to mentor them, I repond with an offer of an agreement...which will be VERY specific about what I can and can't offer them as a mentor.


[22:00:45] Justin:
like a contract?



[22:02:02] LadyBeth1:
These need to include things like....what is being asked for? What is being offered? To what degree? For how long? What is given in return? What are unacceptable behaviors. ANd of course what are the 'deal breakers' (so to speak) Also, an 'out clause' in case either of us needs to be relieved of this.



[22:02:48] LadyBeth1:
It is much like a contract Justin. However, I NEVER call it a contract...because of the implications of that word.


[22:03:01] CC:
and darn it all ... why is it so hard for people to admit or identify deal breakers?


[22:03:17] LadyBeth1:
I don't want there to be any misunderstanding.



[22:04:17] LadyBeth1:
well it's not hard for me CC....but many people simply don't like the idea of looking at a possible bad outcome. I guess I'm just old enough by now to know that there are often more 'bad' outcomes than good ones.



[22:05:03] CC:
*chuckles* been there/done that ... one too many times m'self!



[22:05:11] LadyBeth1:
and that is pretty much all I have prepared, but I'm happy to answer any questions.


[22:06:01] CC:
What if any "risks" do you see in being a mentor?


[22:06:06] boy:
<Enters the Dungeon>



[22:07:25] CC:
Welcome! We are in session … so please, for courtesy, hold greetings unless you are using pm’sTonight’s topic is: Mentoring: To Teach or Not to Teach? Guest Presentor: Lady Beth of SC-LOCK. The subject of mentoring seems to be springing up in conversations and discussion groups everywhere. But what is mentoring? How can one become a mentor? Do you even want to mentor? The discussion on the topic and help point out some of the values and pitfalls of mentoring. For the discussion to track easier we ask that if you have a question to please post: I have a question and you will be called on in turn rather than having 5 questions and cross posts going. Thank you in advance for your attendance tonight as well as your courtesy.


[22:07:31] LadyBeth1:
The biggest risk to me is the personal relationship with the pupil, and having them mis-represent me. I always stress the importance of that, and I'm pretty selective about taking people on because of it.




[22:08:28] LadyBeth1:
I also think it can be rather painful to 'let your pupil go'.......which hopefully is what you want for them....but can be rather like letting your children go. <smile>



[22:08:58] CC:
Could you perhaps frame a "mentorship" example?




[22:09:46] LadyBeth1:
I think there is probably more 'risk' for the pupil....risk of learning bad lessons, or learning the wrong thing, or being poorly taught, or even emotionally betrayed.


[22:10:00] boy:
<Has left the Dungeon>


[22:10:11] SassySioux:
<Has left the Dungeon>


[22:10:24] LadyBeth1:
msg SassySioux you're very welcome...sweet dreams



[22:11:17] CC:
with that being the case ... how does one guard against that ...


[22:11:17] LadyBeth1:
Hmm I'm not exactly sure what you are asking of me CC?


[22:11:23] crystalheart:
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[22:11:45] CC:
do you suggest "references" for both mentor and mentee?


[22:12:30] MizLilly:
I think that is a sound idea


[22:12:52] LadyBeth1:
I always advise folks to check around, check references, so to speak, before entering into any kind of mentoring relationship....both the mentors and the pupils. Doing your homework is important here, almost as much as it would be in choosing a partner. But then, we all know how little thought often goes into choosing those relationships.


[22:13:16] Justin:
say it ain't so!


[22:13:24] CC:
oh MizLilly you ARE here *S*


[22:13:38] LadyBeth1:
Yes I strongly believe in checking references...for both parties!


[22:14:01] MizLilly:
:)


[22:14:09] CC:
I guess that is one reason I really like to SPELL it out especially in places where people do come back and read the logs or articles ... MAYBE just ONE person will "get it"



[22:14:56] LadyBeth1:
AMEN


[22:15:32] LadyBeth1:
Did anyone else have a question that I missed?


[22:15:43] CC:
and as far as asking for a mentorship example ... I mean I know I've asked people to teach me various things ... techniques as well as sharing psychological issues


[22:16:03] CC:
but ... that is "thing specific" ... not what I would consider an overall mentorship


[22:16:58] CC:
ie ... mentoring ... a live in mentee ... a once a week mentee .... email /phone ... how much contact time is actually required ...


[22:16:59] LadyBeth1:
I do try to frame any teaching that I do around the 'whole' person. That is a concept that is an essential part of who I am and I believe that in mentoring I am nurturing the whole of a person.


[22:17:02] LadyBeth1:
<just sitting here>


[22:17:16] CC:
again understanding it would differ by what the goal is



[22:17:44] CC:
YEAH ... yet another word that I really like when it comes to mentoring ...


[22:18:10] LadyBeth1:
I have even written agreements that included....taking care of yourself physically, continuing your educational studies, seeing your mental health practitioner regularly, taking your medication regularly....all as essential elements for my agreement with them to continue.


[22:18:49] CC:
I like the word nurture ... for to me it speaks of sharing not only knowledge and expertise but "heart" ... and to me sharing is the PASSION in which we share that which we love


[22:19:40] LadyBeth1:
I too like the word and the concept of nurturing


[22:19:59] Justin:
and your damn good at it too


[22:20:06] CC:
Great points there ...actions that have reactions ... that impact both parties


[22:20:31] Justin:
you have have nurturted an entire group for a goodly while now


[22:20:54] LadyBeth1:
Thank you sweetie!


[22:21:00] CC:
I think you brought out the "best case scenario" of mentoring ...


[22:21:43] CC:
*agrees that LadyBeth should have the "awesome" award for the year ...


[22:22:13] CC:
Any last comments or questions?


[22:22:18] Justin:
oh I am gonna see that she gets that one CC :)


[22:22:23] LadyBeth1:
I would like to leave with positive thoughts about mentoring. I believe it in! There were many who helped me learn, both formally and informally. Without them, I would still be closeted with only books and fantasies.


[22:22:35] Kat:
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[22:22:46] gentle:
*smiles warmly* thank You so much LadyBeth !


[22:23:08] LadyBeth1:
Gah I'm as red as CC's font.


[22:23:10] Justin:
as always your eloquent and professional Lady :) thank you :)


[22:23:10] CC:
Next weeks Dungeon Chat is ...April 16 – The “New” Old Guard


[22:23:14] Kat:
awww darn


[22:23:16] Justin:
yall have a great night :)


[22:23:23] CC:
SO glad you're out of the closet there!!!


[22:23:23] Justin:
lol Kat


[22:23:28] Kat:
Time change and all...I missed most of it *frown*


[22:23:32] LadyBeth1:
It was my pleasure. Thank you all for coming and listening!


[22:23:58] CC:
And I would like to invite you all to pop by the discussion board ... read through a few questions/comments and add yours as well


[22:24:00] MizLilly:
:)



[22:24:21] CC:
KAT ...most ALL of it .. think cept the g'nights ...





[22:25:06] Justin:
yall have fun :)


[22:25:15] Kat:
Dangit...lol Indiana doesn't participate in Daylight Savings time...so in summer we're on same time as central lol


[22:25:37] MizLilly:
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[22:25:44] gentle:
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[22:25:45] CC:
thanks you all for coming ... and lastly reminds you to watch the front page ... Jack Rinella is getting on schedule for Dungeon Chat ...


[22:25:58] Kat:
*woohooos*


[22:26:21] CC:
I know there is one state that only half of it does and I cant remember which one but that totally baffles me


[22:26:29] Kat:
Night y'all


[22:26:32] LadyBeth1:
NIght CC, It was a pleasure being here.


[22:26:39] Kat:
lol me too


[22:26:46] Kat:
Arizona and Indiana don't at all


[22:26:48] CC:
I do have to run ... I still have homework tonight


[22:26:52] Kat:
oh and parts of Hawaii


[22:27:12] CC:
Lady Beth ..DO tell the LOCK group I'll miss them next weekend


[22:27:22] Kat:
I think the big island does, and the rest doesn't, or something


[22:27:29] CC:
Thanks again Lady Beth ...




[22:28:48] Kat:
Hate to have missed it, LadyBeth...thanks for speaking tho


[22:32:10] CC:
n'night ...



[22:32:27] CC:
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